We Play Full Out with Bart and Sunny

How the Rage Beast that Showed Up at an Innocent BBQ Opened a Doorway to Unlived Potential

• Bart and Sunny Miller • Season 1 • Episode 88

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What does a silly backyard game of cornhole have to do with shadow work, rage in marriage, and reclaiming your power? More than you think.

In this episode, Sunny tells the story of how an innocent BBQ competition turned into a full-blown trigger, and why rage is never really about the game. We dive deep into the psychology of triggers, how couples become mirrors for each other’s unlived potential, and why your shadow holds the keys to your greatest strengths.

Bart also shares his side of the story: what it feels like when your partner’s rage beast shows up in public, how men and women often see competition differently, and how you can use those moments to grow together instead of pulling apart.

If you’ve ever been hijacked by anger, jealousy, or resentment in your relationship, this conversation will help you see those triggers in a new way. 

You’ll learn how to:

  • Recognize when a trigger is bigger than the moment
  • Use shadow work practices to reclaim the power buried inside you
  • Transform your shadow into your golden shadow
  • Turn relationship triggers into opportunities for growth and deeper intimacy

Because playing full out isn’t about avoiding your shadow, it’s about integrating it into your fire.

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Speaker 1:

Welcome to. We Play Full Out with Bart and Sunny Miller. Take it away, Sunny.

Speaker 2:

You know, I had a moment a few weeks ago that involved nothing less than a backyard barbecue, a friendly little game of cornhole and a whole lot of rage.

Speaker 1:

Funny how that can all happen. Was it with family?

Speaker 2:

It all started out innocently enough. Yeah, sure does. You and I, along with Xander, we attended a goodbye party for one of our favorite pickleball friends and his wife. It was amazing. Yep, they're moving to Texas for a new job opportunity. Austin Texas, Austin Texas. As we sipped on lemon-infused water and finished up our last bites of Texas-shaped Rice Krispie Treats, which were really good.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, which, by the way, we were invited and it was Western-themed and we're the only ones that show up. It was Texas-themed and we're like we don't know what that means, so we dressed Texas-style, but nobody else did.

Speaker 2:

But there were Texas-shaped crispy treats. You started eyeing the cornhole game over there, a few feet away from us, and you thought it'd be a good idea to play a game together.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, because they wanted to play a different form of pickleball and I didn't quite want to do that.

Speaker 2:

I'm thinking, oh, let's play corn pickleball, pickleball, something like that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah yeah, spike ball only with pickleball paddles and a pickleball anyway.

Speaker 2:

Yeah well, you thought that'd be a good idea and you thought it'd be a good idea for us not to be on the same team yeah well yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:

Well, you, zander, and you like to compete together, just you know, yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah Well, the game went as most amateur cornhole games go. It was a little bit slow and painful and scores weren't racking up very quickly, but I have to say I was thinking them in pretty good.

Speaker 1:

Sunny, you guys.

Speaker 2:

Normally I don't.

Speaker 1:

For what it's. No, you do, though. That's just it. She's really a pretty dang good cornhole player and actually, yeah, it's impressive to watch.

Speaker 2:

Now stay with us on this story. I promise this is going somewhere. So we were on the winning point and I didn't actually know how to play the game. I thought you were just supposed to get the beanbag in the hole, so I sunk it and I'm like won, yeah. But then then our favorite pickleball friend who's now my least favorite pickleball friend informed us that's not how you play the game and actually, if you go over on points, you have to take points out. So the game kept going.

Speaker 2:

It was like one of those games that seemed like it would never end and your team ended up winning and I, a rage beast, came out of nowhere and it ate me alive that's the only way I can say it. Like I was surrounded by about 10 other couples that we had just met and so like I had to try to control myself. Plus, it was a family friendly atmosphere, so I just kind of like walked back to my chair, but I was seething, I was silent and I definitely had that energy of like anger and I couldn't shake it Like it really shocked me.

Speaker 2:

So what was going through your mind when I walked back to my chair?

Speaker 1:

Honestly, I did not know how extreme the energy was, obviously, so you covered it up, really, really good, that's good.

Speaker 2:

I didn't think I did.

Speaker 1:

So for me it was just like I could see disappointment and frustration. But I could see it because, first and foremost, I didn't know the rules either.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

You know. So it wasn't like for me. I like win or lose it honestly didn't matter to me. I was just there trying to have some fun and that also it was like I don't know like how to describe it, but like I didn't know the rules. So when all of a sudden we found out the rules, I'm like, oh my gosh, this is more complicated than I anticipated it being.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, but you know, it's not like I didn't try either yeah you know, I was competitive as far as oh okay, I just need to get it on the board. That gives me this point. Or, you know, I need to try to get it in and luck be told. Let's be clear, there's so much from our level of skill level, there's a lot of luck to it too, right for sure. So, like I did get lucky, you know, I was like, oh my criminy, I I hit it, whoa, it went in. Oh my gosh, they're lucky, you know.

Speaker 2:

I was like oh my criminy I, I hit it, Whoa, it went in. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1:

So to me it was like but once again, let's be. You know, this is the hard part about all environments that we don't know what is going on. And, like I say, in most things that happen when somebody finally hits their blowing stage is that wasn't the time that did it, that wasn't the time that actually did it, that's just the time that finally popped the cork on multiple other things, the through line that you could trace backwards to figure these kind of things out.

Speaker 2:

So what you're saying is there was an initial wound somewhere in my life Multiple probably. Maybe that had been touched on multiple times.

Speaker 1:

Correct, that was the blowing point, exactly.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, well. So what in the world was this all about? And why are we even talking about cornhole? It wasn't ever really about cornhole. So what was happening to me, I believe, was that a piece of my shadow was bubbling up, said and though, although it was not particularly ideal in the moment, at that party, I think it's actually pretty cool that our bodies let us know that we have some buried power simmering below the surface that is calling for reintegration. Yep, is that not cool?

Speaker 1:

so I didn't think about it.

Speaker 2:

Come on really honestly what a gift, right like at the time I wasn't happy about it and I was frustrated and I actually had to go back and reflect on it because I'm like what was that? Because I couldn't shake it in the moment. I feel like if I was by myself, maybe I could have, like, moved my body and we'll talk about a little later expressed it out and moved through it, but at the time, man, it was sunk in there.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and what was interesting too is as we discussed it. So I'm not going to get into too much of it here, cause you're probably going to bring all that up. But you know, just as we discussed it and as we talked about it, it was just exactly that. It was a through line.

Speaker 1:

Right, and it was. It wasn't that, for instance, exactly, it's just the moment, and I think this is the thing that people have to realize, when they start to be aware of themselves and they start to make progress, growth, all these different things. Sometimes we just don't know when the tears are going to come. Sometimes we just don't know when, all of a sudden, we're in this situation and it's like this. Why this? This is like the, the easiest situation, but all of a sudden just became the hardest thing, because it just all shined right here.

Speaker 2:

I'm actually really glad you said that, because, for example, let's say, rage comes up, but it's not a trivial context. Maybe it's valid to be there in that moment.

Speaker 1:

Sure.

Speaker 2:

But this was really trivial. So like you're just saying like why are the tears here now? Like this is nothing.

Speaker 1:

Yeah Is a big indicator that there is a trigger, a shadow, right thing that's running in the background, that's bubbling up, for you to look at, because I've seen times when we've been playing pickleball and non-intentionally, I have hit the ball at you hard enough and it has hit you and left, let's just say, a red mark. Yes, it sounds way better than a welt, but you know it's done that and I can see where you know rage or that moment could trigger something that's bigger. You know what I mean. Like settle down, not, you know you're in competition, you're trying to kill us. You don't have to play that hard. You know there's a lot of reasons. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1:

For me that would just go whammo. Okay, I see how that would. But like you just said again, not to repeat this, but like this is something that's very interesting for humans to realize. This wasn't that to kill you. Nobody was dancing around. Whenever you know like it wasn't, like it was a high I don't even know how to describe this moment, just so you can have a picture, you know but like in the backyard, we don't know anybody.

Speaker 1:

The whole thing, you know, it's just not not the thing I would have ever guessed.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, that was interesting. So until we reclaim that power, it runs our lives from the shadows and that's why it's important to look at. We keep giving away our energy and our destiny in a lot of ways. So obviously, other triggers that you may notice in yourself apply here too, not just rage. Things like jealousy, hatred, disgust, envy, whatever comes up for us as our body's way of saying this moment is more than this moment, right, Right. So let's take rage. Rage isn't actually bad. It's raw, unintegrated energy and what's really cool which I think is cool now, but the intensity at the time was too much for me. The intensity of your reaction reveals the intensity of your disowned power. So that big old rage beast is my power, waiting for me to claim it right.

Speaker 2:

Yep, when you integrate a trigger such as rage, you stop being hijacked by it. Again, in trivial context, you can channel its raw energy into clarity, assertiveness and boundary setting. So rage stops being a volcano and becomes a furnace, which is a steady source of power, right? Do you see rage differently than that? Okay, awesome, you don't.

Speaker 1:

No, I think it's. I think it's that it's. It's such a raw power and it's such a forceful power, I mean.

Speaker 2:

I guess, like as a man, does it look any different to you than what I just explained?

Speaker 1:

No, I mean yeah, I could blow it up in different terms, but it's exactly the same thing.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah. Well, let's dive in and see how we can tame this rage. Let me ask you a question, really question.

Speaker 1:

I mean I would think rage is really a no-transcript, but my, my point is is that I think that rage is a, is a very in the head, very like I don't know how to say it like forceful power, and rage can be used, is used a lot of times in a situation of protection, I would say, of like you are not treading on me, type of power, if that makes sense, and I'm going to clear the house right now because I've just that's it, I've had it, you know, and so I look at that very masculine sometimes, but I also could see it where I don't know.

Speaker 2:

Anyway, just something to kind of just play it in my head there a second well, I think you're spot on because it's it's kind of dominance, competitiveness, aggressiveness and, if we go deeper into like psychology, um, every woman has an inner masculine.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, of course, yeah, right yeah.

Speaker 2:

And when you don't use that, or I'm going to use the word he, but it's an energy, yeah, Doesn't show up. That's when we become passive and apathetic. We don't, we shrink and play small, but it's actually. We need to have a good relationship with that inner part of us which, um, would be your inner warrior right, yeah. That is very much into play with rage.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I mean, I, I know several instances that will bring rage out in me, you know, and it's like even sometimes, and it used to fire me up even more, but like you, you know, like that is in our family, and yet sometimes I just I'll find that they don't, for no better my respect we call it respect, but to them it's not.

Speaker 1:

I don't know, whatever it might be, but it'll get me ragey. And it's like or you clean the house, for example, and you do the dishes, and then all of a sudden you go back down and it's like it's just chuckleful, cause nobody. And it's like no, you know the pattern, you know what you're supposed to do, and all of a sudden it's like why do I? You know you just, you just know I'm going to do this, you know type of a thing and rage, rage will pop its head, you know for me. But anyway, it's just. It's just fascinating how many places as I can look in my life that there there is rage that lives inside of me and I have to contain it, control it or at some point express it in a more simple way. And I find that when I see it and I like the other day for me, like the washing machine I do a lot of washing, I enjoy doing the wash, but like I leave my washer, dryer, washer drawer, golly door open because it airs it out and it doesn't let mold and stuff like that.

Speaker 1:

And for years I could never figure out how to keep all the black mold out of my washing machine and it would drive me crazy. I would take Clorox, I would do all these different washes trying to clean it. Well, finally I figured out. I know, sorry, you guys, I'm late to the game, but I figured it out. If you leave the door open, it will take care of all that and I've told everybody in the family that that's the case. And this last week I go in there and the door has been closed every time that somebody else has been doing a wash and I'm like what's it going to do? Do I need to put a sign on this? Do I need to get ragey about this? But it brings up these little things.

Speaker 1:

Anyway, I don't want to get into too many stories, so we lose you guys.

Speaker 2:

But it's funny how you find it in little stuff it is. So we're going to talk about how to reclaim that power that's hidden inside of you.

Speaker 1:

Awesome, let's do it.

Speaker 2:

So if you've had a trigger recently, run that particular trigger through these steps. But we're going to talk about rage. So first, awareness in the moment. Notice and say this rage is bigger than this moment calls for A complex has me. So name it as something else. Naming it already separates you from it. Then the next would be to do an active imagination or dialogue with it. So later, when it's safe to do so, or when you're alone, sit quietly and ask rage, what do you want me to know? What are you protecting? And let it speak. You'll be amazed, I think, at what comes up.

Speaker 1:

So was that a three-step process or a four-step process?

Speaker 2:

Well, I'm on step number two right now.

Speaker 1:

Oh, there were several things in me for there. Okay, read that again.

Speaker 2:

The first one was awareness.

Speaker 1:

Okay, awareness, so you're separating yourself from the thing, yep.

Speaker 2:

Next is active imagination with dialogue Okay. The third is the embodied release Okay.

Speaker 1:

So embody.

Speaker 2:

Yep, rage or any energy that we have that's emotional, is somatic, which means it's living in the body. Move it through the body, use breath, work, shaking, primal screaming into a pillow or intense exercise Not to get rid of it but to let the energy complete its cycle. And we talked about this a few podcasts ago, called why your Body Still Thinks it's Running from Lions. And you mentioned this to me and I always go back to it now for some reason. But sometimes when Bart's playing pickleball he will just like yell and we all like whoa. He's so intense, you know. But you indicated that just releases that energy of frustration and then you can just keep playing.

Speaker 1:

It does, and if I don't do it, then that rage builds inside of me and I can't just go back to having fun.

Speaker 2:

Yeah yeah, so I think that's fascinating that your body does that release and you allow it to yeah and I feel like if I could have yelled after cornhole then I think it would have moved through me, but I said I just like shoved it in there, like don't speak this brought up a funny thing for me in what I uh.

Speaker 1:

I remember seeing a video back when, um, I can't remember where I was doing I came across on social or something like that, but it was a video of, um, uh, mama gina and she was talking about how these women just get right like beat pillows, throw pillows, throw a tantrum, just all these things.

Speaker 1:

And when I first watched that I'm like she calls it swamping okay, psycho psycho she'll even have you go put like a garbage bag on you yeah and like roll around and hit pillows and just like, yeah, yeah, so like it was like I was like what in the world does this have to do with what you teach in any way, shape or form? Right, and I I couldn't connect it. Like I'm like there's gotta be a purpose, because she does this throughout everything, and I mean everything. And she works on trauma. Right, I mean, that's her, that's her main thing is working on let's be clear sexual trauma.

Speaker 1:

But it's like I could not connect the dots until here in the last year. Then I was like, no wonder we need to do breath work, no wonder we do somatic dance, no wonder we can beat pillows, no wonder we have to. And I was like I was like, oh man, like and obviously she probably explained this, I haven't gone through and listened to all the reasons, purpose things for it. So therefore, being an outsider, you just see a bunch of seems like psychotic humans running around screaming and screaming, yelling and in pillows for no freaking reason.

Speaker 1:

It's like what in the criminy is this going to accomplish, you know? So I mean anyway, not your ideal slumber party, but anyway, maybe it is, but that's what I'm saying. It probably actually would be the best one you could possibly have. So, anyway, that was another way I saw it, that I was like, oh, now I totally get it, now I go. Oh yeah, you want to heal trauma, you want to heal this, you want to take it right on and get rid of it through your body, let's go.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, because what's the saying? Energy's never destroyed, right? So it's always going to be there. It's just are you going to transmute it into something else, totally, or are you going to allow it to eat you alive, totally, right, okay. The last step is to find the gold. Ask what's the gift here? Because what's the point of having a wound or a trigger just sit and fester Like? Once you find the gift, you have your power back and you are wiser, stronger, more able to live your life, right, okay, we're gonna get into this part which is the mirror effect in relationships. Which is the mirror effect in relationships. Now I started reflecting on this unfortunate or I guess now I call it a fortunate cornhole incident, because I've noticed, and you brought up pickleball and sometimes you hit me with a ball or whatever and I get ragey. But anytime I ball or whatever and I get ragey, but anytime I lose to you, I get ragey and I'm like why, bart?

Speaker 2:

like usually I can shake off other people beating me or even hitting me, but like not you I like how you put that tagging me with with the ball. Is that better?

Speaker 1:

Full on abuse here.

Speaker 2:

Let's just say I walk away from every game. Just kidding, okay. But what I came to understand is that, first of all, the Cornel thing was actually a reflection of my relationship with power. Right, I had shoved dominance and competition into my shadow in real day-to-day life, and it was manifesting itself in my life as me showing up as being overly passive about a lot of things and playing smaller than I should. So my soul was literally telling me to show up and play full out with fierce focus, relentless willpower and unapologetic presence, like you do, instead of defaulting to my passive mode of doing things. This is where you come into play Again. My rage really flares up bad with you, and it's because we not just me, we as humans project our deepest unconscious parts onto those closest to us. Intimacy creates safety for the psyche to reveal what's hidden. Isn't that interesting?

Speaker 1:

It's really good.

Speaker 2:

Safety. Yep, you were carrying around my unclaimed competitiveness and dominance, the very things that I shoved into my shadow, so you were literally mirroring my unlived potential.

Speaker 1:

The mirror you don't know you have.

Speaker 2:

Right.

Speaker 1:

The hidden mirror that you don't even know exists.

Speaker 2:

So cool, so I'm sorry that you're my mirror for my unlived potential. I love you so much.

Speaker 1:

And it's awesome that we can figure this out with our closest ones and be able to have those conversations with our dearest ones. Because able to have those conversations with our dearest ones, because it should be a gift to our dearest ones of knowing that we're so close.

Speaker 2:

It's a huge gift.

Speaker 1:

It's like oh, I can forgive that. That's the person that should be able to sit back and go. Oh.

Speaker 2:

Well, I know you're my biggest fan, so you'd be like, bring it on, then let's go. Yeah, but you know what I?

Speaker 1:

mean Thank God.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Because, at the end of the day, that's where a lot of things happen, because we don't know, yeah, so that, because you could be triggered by my rage.

Speaker 2:

and then we're in this whole trauma chaos pattern loops constantly that we don't want to be in when neither of us mean to be Totally.

Speaker 1:

So good.

Speaker 2:

Okay Now, last but not least, just Um, the shadow and gold are a package deal. So what I mean by that is there's a universe universal law called the law of polarity. The law states that every energy has two sides. One is the shadow side, one is the golden. The golden side. If you reject the shadow, then you're rejecting the gold too. So, for example, on the shadow side, you might have envy, aggression and needing to win at all costs, but if you reclaim and integrate that through the rejecting the gold too, so, for example, on the shadow side, you might have envy, aggression and needing to win at all costs, but if you reclaim and integrate that through the process that we talked about, you can access the golden side, which is excellence, mastery, calling out the best in yourself and others. So the best part is obviously, when you reclaim your shadow, you reclaim your gold and then, once you've integrated, then you can consciously choose how to express it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so really cool, really good.

Speaker 2:

Okay. So next time you feel a trigger rising like rage, jealousy, hate, disgust and so on, pause, ask what power is waiting for me here? Remember, they're not here to punish you. They're here to return you to yourself, to show you the unlived potential inside of you. And that is how you play full out and again think the people who trigger you. They're showing you where your power is ready and waiting to be claimed. So what would you tell couples who constantly trigger each other in competition, whether it's cornhole, pickleball or business?

Speaker 1:

You didn't realize how much in love you are. Yeah, really, you know, and you know, and sometimes we look at that as it's. I mean, you hear this all the time it's a love hate relationship. Where does that term come from, you know? So if you look at reality, it is that, yeah, because it's not the hate or the love, that's not what I'm talking about. It's bringing the best out of your significant other, even if you don't know you're doing it Right. But there's um, I find that the beauty in our relationship is is that what we both want for each other is beyond comprehension, but at the same time, getting there could be very, very, very difficult which is getting out of our own ways to get there.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, just, or understandings, or different types of beliefs, whatever it is, but I think that what it does is it brings this, this beauty inside of us of the yin and yang of working through things that a lot of people just give up and they're they're not willing to really discuss or work on, for that matter. So like if, if you're realizing all this in yourself and let's say you had this conversation you're like oh my gosh, this brought up this rage. I'm so angry. I was da, da, da, da da. I found that there's this mirror. I went backwards, you know, and went through, traced it back to my childhood, figured all this out, and then I looked at you and said, well, it's about time. It's about time, I mean, I could have told you that, for you know, years ago, and I'm thankful that you finally figured it out, because I'm tired of dealing with it.

Speaker 2:

What am I doing?

Speaker 1:

So I'm bringing rage with you, even though I'm not realizing. I just turned that whole situation, but I don't even recognize what patterns you went through. Then that causes another, what Fight in the same circle. So so what I'm trying to say here is, as couples know that you're loved more than you've ever thought you're loved. But first and foremost, when somebody does that, all I encourage you to do is step back from yourself and go oh, I'm doing the same thing to you. Oh my gosh, this is cool. Can we learn this process together and understand it together? So when you see this, I want you to point it out so I can go through the process and we can grow, and I think that's been beautiful for us.

Speaker 2:

Well, I think that brought something else to my mind. So like, when you see me get ragey, do you just sit and say this?

Speaker 1:

isn't about me. So how do you not react to that? That's great for me. I don't know how this is going to sound, really, maybe like, but I'm just going to be bold, cause you know that's what we say. We play full out. I look at it sometimes like I want you to be ragey. I crave it when you're ragey, because that means you are trying and you want to win and you want to freaking dominate something.

Speaker 1:

So to me it brings out a lot of like. That's her Like. I know she's got it. Damn it, express it, just get mad, whack the ball at me, throw it at me, and actually when you do, sometimes I laugh, which even pisses you off more.

Speaker 1:

It makes you more ragey, which I'm not trying to get Because then you whack it back at me yeah, because I'm not trying to get that but it's like, ah, but at the same time I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm going to stir it up even more because I want her just to see that she's got that fight and she's alive, and so in that scenarios, a lot of times it really does bring up the fact of you're alive, I want you to be alive, I want that and and you know, and I don't know so. So there's that part and then the other part. Then I go into the consoling.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and I always feel bad.

Speaker 1:

I'm like I don't want to talk about it. And then I don't like that part because I'm like I want you to see this, Like this is awesome and I'm sorry you lost. It's not about the winner or the loss, it's about you want to be competitive, so let's do it Like, let's bring this out. But then when I go to the consoling end of it, I feel like okay, now I got to apologize for who I am, what I didn't intend in any way to do. And then I hate that part because I feel so small at that time. So, like you know, it kind of just drains everything out of it for me.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and honestly I don't want to be consoled.

Speaker 1:

I know, but I feel like I just want to work through it Right and I feel like I need because of the man I got to fix it, because you let me, I got to fix it.

Speaker 1:

You know I don't want it. I don't want this to happen and I don't want it to be all night and two days. But I've realized the more that we've gone through things and we've learned about you do. You just need to process, and once you process, it's not like you're pissed at me, it's not you're pissed at anything, you're just you're working through and processing and that is a, that is a been. A big learning thing for me is to give people time to process.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and I will say like I really do try to be like okay, I can be mad until we get home, or I can be mad until this point on our drive. And then I'm just like no, I got to be done with it then.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and one last story I'll never forget is I had a client that hired me and they paid me a lot of money and uh, but they they told me in the criteria when I hired them was I want you to make me angry. In essence, I don't want you to just cave when I say something I don't want. I want you to bring out like if you have a point like really lay into me, type of thing.

Speaker 1:

So we had that agreement and I did, and this person lost it, and I mean totally lost it. And so every time I text call, they wouldn't return my call, wouldn't text me back, wouldn't even acknowledge that I existed. And that was a lot inside of me. It was like, oh my gosh, and it was six months before this person then they unlocked everything and they came back and go. That moment was the moment that changed my life. That was the moment that made me get real with myself. That was the moment and changed my life. That was the moment that made me get real with myself. That was the moment and I mean we're still dear, dear friends, but I'll never forget that.

Speaker 1:

Six months of processing for me what's tough, oh man, it was tough, but I did what, yeah, Anyway, I'm not going to try to justify anything, but I just want you to know sometimes it's not a minute to process, sometimes it does take some time, but this person didn't give up on the process and nor did I and so you know, just just stay in there understand that some of these things aren't five seconds, some of them are, but this can take a little bit of work, but it's well worth it. And when you're being aware of yourself, what a beautiful thing this turns you and transforms you and helps you with your life and to just be more progressive.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, great story, thank you.

Speaker 1:

All right Life updates life updates couple really cool things. There was a new record that just came out. Do you want to tell about it?

Speaker 2:

Well, 21 Pilots just came out with their latest album. It's called Breach and, of course, my awesome, amazing husband got it to me for my birthday.

Speaker 1:

So how did you feel about their latest video?

Speaker 2:

Oh, I struggled very deeply with their last video, for sure, and I don't know how to describe it if you don't know the 21 Pilots lore, but I had to process it.

Speaker 1:

I think she's still in processing.

Speaker 2:

to be frank with you, I am doing better than I was, so we have that life update.

Speaker 1:

We went up to Dr West Big shout out for him Yesterday was his birthday.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

And we went up to his cabin and it was really fun. My son-in-law and my daughter came and Xander and we shot guns and just had a really good time visiting some friends. Some of our other friends came up to the cabin also and it was just really cool to spend some time that way. Sunny and I have been playing a little bit of pickleball. She wants to get better in certain aspects and so do I, so we've been doing that and that's been a lot of fun. We also have a birthday coming up for Xander, so we been looking at different things in the saxophone world and, uh, ordered a couple really cool cases for his saxophones which probably trivial to all of you, but big deal and he went and played at a jazz club not jazz club, but at a jazz jam session.

Speaker 1:

And a really cool experience and we'll talk about that maybe one of these other days because I don't want to keep you here forever on all of our life updates but that turned into a really cool experience for him of playing live jazz with some really amazing humans here.

Speaker 2:

And he improved like so good.

Speaker 1:

He did, so proud of him, and my daughter came over. We got to play with Lila for a while, which was an absolute highlight. So fun to watch her grow and just be um and I sold a horse? Yep, sure did so. Uh, sold one of my horses, so that was a big life update for me and I think that's pretty much did I cover them all, I think.

Speaker 2:

So Sweet, we had the car aligned. That too, that was exciting, oh, man, we need to mention that.

Speaker 1:

That car, aligned, got that done by golly. Anyway, with that, you guys, we're so grateful for you and I know we stay this every day and I with that, you guys, we're so grateful for you and I know we stay this every day and I know that you know. Once again, you have time to listen to anything and if you spent time listening to us, we are indeed grateful. Like it means the world to us. If you have an email list or you have a Facebook like, if you have your own Facebook and you want to share any of this, please do so. That's the only way the podcast grows is by you sharing you, the listener, helping us spread our message, what we're doing, of playing full out in this wonderful world that we live in, and we're grateful if you would share this with one of your friends would mean a lot to us and, with that, this segment brought to you by I Do Epic.

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