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Thieves of the Psyche: How Hidden Complexes are Hijacking Your Life

• Bart and Sunny Miller • Season 1 • Episode 66

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Ever found yourself in the middle of a meltdown, thinking, “Why am I reacting like this? This isn’t me!” Yeah… that’s not just a bad day—that’s a complex hijacking your mind.

In this episode, we’re pulling back the curtain on the invisible forces running your life. These sneaky little “pockets of energy” (as Dr. James Hollis calls them) lurk in your psyche, triggering you, trapping you in the same self-sabotaging loops, and keeping you from the success, relationships, and confidence you should already have.

But here’s the wild part: These patterns aren’t who you are—they’re just programming. And today, we’re diving deep into how to break the cycle for good.

We’ll explore:

🔥 What hidden complexes actually are (and why they keep controlling you)
🔥 How to recognize when you’re being hijacked (spoiler: it’s more often than you think)
🔥 The exact steps to start rewiring your brain so you can stop reacting and start choosing your reality
🔥 And for our entrepreneurs—how to flip the script and use buyer psychology to craft an irresistible offer

This episode is part deep psychology, part entrepreneurial goldmine, and part “holy sh*t, that explains everything.” You don’t want to miss it.

🎧 Tune in, and let’s get your mind back on your side.

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Speaker 1:

Welcome to we Play Full Out with Bart and Sunny Miller. How are you doing today, Sunny?

Speaker 2:

I am so great, Bart. Thank you for asking.

Speaker 1:

Good. Well, I'm excited about this podcast. I'm so grateful for all the listeners my goodness, it's really grown and I'm just so grateful for everybody listening to us banter back and forth.

Speaker 2:

Me too Amazing.

Speaker 1:

It is amazing.

Speaker 2:

And Bart, I know that you have never had this happen to you, but for those of us you know who have had it happen, you've had those moments where you knew you were overreacting but you just couldn't stop yourself, like your body was running on autopilot, dragging you through an emotional storm before you even had a chance to process what was happening.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I've sure had that happen and it usually stems from a million other things that have happened that got me to there that just boom top goes, there it goes.

Speaker 2:

Yep, it's not just a bad habit, it's a complex at work. So Dr James Hollis, who's a Jungian psychoanalyst and author, calls these historically charged pockets of energy in our psyches.

Speaker 1:

So crazy cool.

Speaker 2:

Like you just said, it's usually based on something that's happened in the past. I used to call them trauma loops because that's exactly what they feel like. They trigger, they spin and suddenly we're caught in a pattern of any kind of emotion you can imagine. It can be anger, sadness, rage, fear, shame, but it's generally completely out of alignment with who we want to be. In those moments we behave rather badly and we can't understand why we react the way we do, especially if we're intentionally trying not to act that way.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so true, like who wants to do that.

Speaker 2:

I don't. You never really know when these little devils are going to show up, but they tend to cycle through your life, like you'll start to see this cycle happening. It can be weekly, it can be biweekly, it can be monthly, but the one thing you can count on is that it's going to come back around. And if you've ever heard the phrase, I don't know what I was thinking. The devil made me do it.

Speaker 1:

That is a complex, yeah, but the cool thing is, you don't have to live at the mercy of these invisible forces.

Speaker 2:

Let's do it. Let's not do that, I get an hallelujah Amen. So complexes are like a psychological landmine. They're buried deep in your subconscious. It's an old stored up charge of emotion tied to an experience from your past. The reason they're so powerful is that it's not just in your thoughts that energy lives in your body as well just in your thoughts that energy lives in your body as well. They get triggered when something in the present feels similar to the original wound. So if all of a sudden you feel like like I don't even know that you really have to think about it, your subconscious just kicks in oh, this feels familiar.

Speaker 2:

So this is how we're going to react.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and there's lots of things that you like you can imagine, like what an orange tastes like or a lemon tastes like. You know people go through that and then all of a sudden you can taste the lemon in your mouth and it's puckering up and all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2:

So it definitely makes sense. Yeah, totally. Yep, so just like that, your body takes over before your conscious mind even has time to intervene. So it's like you can't even stop and think about how you're reacting. You just react. Every time this gets triggered, the energy behind it grows bigger and bigger. So you might start to notice that your emotions get stronger and, like what used to maybe only bother you a little bit, bothers you much more and you react more like bigger. Yeah, your reactions are a lot bigger.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. So you know, it's kind of like what Tony Robbins talks about heart stacking he just keep building and building and building. You know, instead of it being a good thing, it can be something that triggers you.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it's kind of yes, the exact opposite.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

You're stacking all these negative emotions, Yep.

Speaker 2:

So when something happens, boom you might just not want to be in the way of the person that that's happening to. So if you're on a journey, though, to create your dream business, your dream relationship or your dream life in general, your complexes will show up and try to keep you small. They're literally little thieves inside your psyche that are stealing your ability to show up fully, to be unapologetically creative, to play full out in your partnerships, to stop you from reaching whatever success levels you want to reach in all areas of your life. So it's a big deal. I think it matters. I think it matters that we're talking about this.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it really matters. It was something that affected my life quite a bit.

Speaker 2:

Mine too, and it has affected our relationship for sure, especially like we've been married for 30 years. So you can guarantee we've had some historically charged pockets of energy that stored in our bodies and would cycle through quite consistently. So some of these things could be fear of rejection. If you have a fear of rejection, you'll sabotage opportunities before they even have a chance to succeed. If you have a fear of failure, you'll procrastinate instead of taking bold action. If you have a fear of judgment, you'll keep hiding instead of showing up fully. Those are just a few of them. So your complexes aren't just personal struggles. They are literally shaping your entire reality. I don't know if you got that, but they're literally shaping your entire reality. If you want to be the author of your story, you've got to dig into your psyche and throw these thieves out. So how do we start breaking the pattern Now?

Speaker 2:

Dr Wayne Dyer used to share a powerful poem that perfectly captures what it feels like to be trapped in a complex or psychological loop. It was written by Portia Nelson and it's called Autobiography in Five Short Chapters. At first we don't even realize we're stuck. We fall into the same patterns, blaming everything outside of us. I'm sure we've all done that. Then we start to notice, but we still fall, and eventually we wake up, take responsibility and begin to make new choices and finally we walk away from the pattern entirely. So I'm going to tell you this autobiography in five chapters.

Speaker 1:

Okay.

Speaker 2:

And you and anybody listening try to see where you are.

Speaker 1:

All right.

Speaker 2:

In this little chapter. How cool. So chapter one I walk down the street. There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. I fall in. I am lost. I am hopeless. It isn't my fault. It takes forever to find a way out.

Speaker 2:

Chapter two I walk down the same street. There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. I pretend I don't see it. I fall in again. I can't believe. I'm in the same place. But it isn't my fault. It still takes a long time to get out. Chapter three I walk down the same street. There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. I see it there. I still fall in. It's a habit. But my eyes are open. I know where I am. It is my fault, but I get out immediately. Chapter four I walk down the same street. There is a deep hole in the sidewalk. I walk around it. Chapter five I walk down another street. So this is the journey of breaking free from a complex. At first you're blind to it, then you recognize it but feel powerless. With time, awareness grows and you start to reclaim your choice. Eventually, the loop no longer has control over you and you forge a new path.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I think it's so good and I think I would take one, two and three. I might be off, but they're they're an addiction and therefore we we don't even know, we're addicted to the pattern and so yeah, you're saying it can be addiction, to like the emotional pattern of it, not so much like a physical addiction. Exactly.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it kind of is, because it's in your body. But totally.

Speaker 1:

So, you know, I think we have to be honest with ourselves in what we classify as addictions and we have to go back and say why am I addicted to this, this fear or this anxiety, or am I? Why am I addicted to this type of fighting? You know what I mean. What I mean by that is like when I get nervous, I want to pick a fight with somebody else because it takes more care of my nervousness.

Speaker 2:

If that, makes sense, or maybe it makes you feel more powerful because you're the one being aggressive.

Speaker 1:

It might be, yeah, but like I know, when I'm getting ready to go to events where I have big things going on, like sometimes, I used to really like I just wanted something to distract me and it seemed like if I had a way that I was picking at somebody else, it would distract me or something.

Speaker 2:

That was never me, was it?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, which was an addiction to that, because I wanted to solve the energy of it's overwhelming for me and this others and and once I realized that addiction to that pattern, it was like what in the Sam that is so psychotic? I'm just causing myself more stress. What don't we, you know? But in in the moment I I didn't realize, or I didn't even realize the pattern that every time I and we seen a pattern with Xander there for a little while, we would get ready to leave and all of a sudden he would get sick.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, leave as in go on a trip Go on an adventure with the two of us, and so we're like whoa, we got to pay attention to this pattern that's happening because it's happened multiple times. Anyway, we could go on all day, but I just want to make sure that we're clarifying that some of this is an actual addiction.

Speaker 2:

And so you have to treat it as an addiction, and do you feel like addiction is different than the emotionally charged patterns that exist in our bodies?

Speaker 1:

Isn't that kind of the same thing? Yeah, they're different but the same. I think that when you actually have the emotional charge of it, it stems from the addiction. But I think they're separate because one's emotional and one is like I just I crave it for my body. I don't know, I could be wrong.

Speaker 2:

No, I like, I like, I like that I need to process that. Yeah, I think they're definitely tied together.

Speaker 1:

Oh, for sure.

Speaker 2:

All right. So we're going to talk about how to break the pattern and I think it is the same whether it's an addiction or a complex One is to notice it. Pay attention to when you feel emotionally hijacked. What triggered it? What does it remind you of? Step two is to get into your body. Complexes live in the nervous system. When you feel one trigger, pause and breathe If possible, move, go for a walk, shake it out, change your physical state. As we've learned your physiology is the quickest way to change your emotional state.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and I think that's so good and I think you know I was. It reminds me of a coach I had at one time and he just said don't respond to anything for 24 hours and your response will be totally, totally different. So anytime you get anything that you know you find that pattern or that addiction or something that riles you up. It's just like you said, because within 24 hours, you're going to move your body, you're going to do things, you're going to think through things, you're going to look at different things, but don't, don't, don't. Whatever you do within that 24 hours, sit and fester on it every split second and drive yourself even more crazy about it.

Speaker 2:

If you keep feeding the beast, it's going to grow, yeah.

Speaker 1:

You'll add more layers.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, three name, it don't become it. Instead of saying I am angry, shift to I feel anger rising in me. This small tweak reminds your brain that you are not your emotions. Another thing that you can do is to ask yourself is this mine? Yeah so good, because sometimes it's not.

Speaker 1:

That's right.

Speaker 2:

And your body and brain will immediately know the difference if you ask it that question.

Speaker 1:

So good.

Speaker 2:

The last one is to rewire through repetition. Every time you pause instead of reacting, you weaken the complex's grip and then, over time, this is going to change the pattern, change the rewiring and you get to reclaim your freedom over that.

Speaker 2:

Anything else you'd like to add there? Nope so good. So your call to action this week is to start tracking your emotional hijacks. When you feel triggered, write down what is happening, what emotion took over and what might this pattern be trying to teach you. The more you shine a light on these hidden loops, as we know, when we shine a light on something they can't hide anymore, the less power they have, and that's how you start playing full out without your past, running the show.

Speaker 1:

Yep, so good. So a story on this for me is is that I uh, I don't remember how many years it's been quite a few years ago I got a letter in the mailbox and in that mailbox letter was a bill from the IRS for a hefty, hefty amount of money.

Speaker 2:

From the state of California.

Speaker 1:

California, california, and we thought we were totally fine because our accountant advised us all sorts of things. You know, everything was on our side, we thought, but at the end of the day we ended up having to pay that. So I won't go into a lot of detail here. But from that day forward I created a pattern and an anchor to the mailbox as being a. Something bad is going to happen.

Speaker 2:

It creates a fear response.

Speaker 1:

And it almost caused panic attacks inside of me to where I would have somebody else go get the mail.

Speaker 1:

I couldn't do all these things and I really really struggled with this for quite some time.

Speaker 1:

I couldn't do that Not all these things and uh, I really really struggled with this for quite some time and uh, it's, it's not fun, especially when I knew I was doing this. It was something in me and you know, and I'd never had it before I mean, I used to be the kid that I was the most excited to run out to them and walks and get the mail, cause there was going to be a Victoria's Secret catalog in there. You know, like it was going to be awesome, you know, and I turned that into such a negative thing for me that it was like wow, wow, I would see or even start to drive down a road and know the mailbox was coming, and I don't know why it was it, but it was the thing. And so I just caution you because it was something I had to take serious. I didn't even realize what I'd anchored in my body, I didn't realize what I was doing to myself, I didn't realize what it did to my psyche, but yet there it was.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and it's not something you're consciously thinking.

Speaker 1:

No, there it is and it's like, not that we didn't have the money, not the things. You know, it didn't destroy my life, no, but it destroy my life, but it was just one of those things I allowed to anchor for some reason, and so just remember that some of the emotions that we have can come from the craziest things, and we don't even realize it, and so, therefore, you know we do things that we just shouldn't do.

Speaker 1:

We, you know we avoid things we shouldn't avoid. So I just wanted to share that with you, because it's a very you know like this can come from all sorts of things. We don't realize it, but we still need to deal with it.

Speaker 2:

Yep, so good. Thank you for sharing that story. Now we're going to pivot a little for all of our business junkies out there because, why not, right, we're going to talk about how this works inside your ideal buyer psychology Cool, so fascinating what we can do so. We're going to talk about how to use your knowledge of complexes to create an irresistible offer a little bit via tony robbins style, let's go. So most people do not buy based on logic, right? It sounds pretty crazy to me because I think I'm a logical buyer.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

I think all of us think that we're logical buyers, right, we think things through and we make sound decisions. Darn it, right. But in reality we buy to escape pain or to step into a new identity. So the first step in using buyer psychology and the awareness of complexes that you know have is to create an irresistible offer is, first of all, identify the buyer's core emotional loop. So ask yourself, what emotional loop keeps my buyers from success? We hit on some of them in our own patterns of life, which could be fear of rejection, fear of making the wrong decision, a need for validation there's so many right.

Speaker 1:

Yep.

Speaker 2:

The next one is what belief is running their decisions? I'm not good enough. Success is for others, not me. I always fall short. Maybe I'm not smart enough, not good looking enough.

Speaker 1:

I don't know what it could be. There's a ton of them, right. I mean might be that their religion it might be all sorts of things you know.

Speaker 2:

Yep. How does this show up in their buying behavior? Most likely they're hesitating, they're procrastinating, they're second guessing or they're seeking endless validation before they pull the trigger.

Speaker 1:

Yep.

Speaker 2:

So here's a fun example Our new Legion eight, nine, seven, mastermind a loop could be. If I'm not struggling, I'm not working hard enough. You do hear that.

Speaker 1:

We do in a while.

Speaker 2:

It's like gotta be working gotta be working.

Speaker 1:

Gotta be working.

Speaker 2:

Um, the buying pattern of that would be they glorify hustle and burnout, believing that success must come through suffering. If it feels too easy or aligned, they unconsciously sabotage themselves. So a new positioning shift would be you don't need to push harder, you need to rewire your reality. Legion 897 dismantles the subconscious programming that equates struggle with success, so you can finally operate from flow, power and alignment. This works because it exposes the hidden belief keeping them stuck and reframe success as something they can achieve without self-sabotage.

Speaker 1:

Isn't that amazing? Yeah, but yet you know a lot of people and their buyer, their psychology is that's not a tactic.

Speaker 2:

Yep.

Speaker 1:

And so, therefore, I can't invest in this. I need to buy more tactics to make this happen, when reality is, they can look at 15 websites that don't have any of the tactics and they're buying from it.

Speaker 2:

Which is crazy, because if tactics haven't worked for you by now, they're not going to. Yeah Right, so, true, like, if it's really self-sabotage, then you're just going to self-sabotage all the way through all the new tactics you're buying.

Speaker 1:

Amen.

Speaker 2:

Step two is to sell the identity shift, not just the feature. So Tony Robbins does not sell a seminar.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

He sells a breakthrough Yep. People don't want a coaching program.

Speaker 1:

Sends the results.

Speaker 2:

What'd you say?

Speaker 1:

Sells the results.

Speaker 2:

Yep People don't want a coaching program, they don't want accountability calls, they don't even want more money. They want to become the kind of person who takes action and wins Yep group. You need a new identity, the kind of person who follows through every time. Idoepic makes that identity shift inevitable by practically forcing you to become successful.

Speaker 1:

So good.

Speaker 2:

And this works because it moves the conversation from features, which is simply a call and tracking goals, to identity level transformation. Step three is to introduce the cost of inaction. Complex People are more motivated by avoiding loss than gaining a benefit.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 2:

I mean I've proven that in studies of like.

Speaker 1:

I can't remember how they do it, but like here's a hundred dollars, you two split it up and you're the one that gets to make the choice of how it's split. Yeah, now I don't have any money. I didn't have the $100.

Speaker 2:

I choose, I want $95.

Speaker 1:

Exactly, and I'm like, nope, let's not do it, because I only get $5.

Speaker 2:

But you didn't have any in the first place.

Speaker 1:

But I didn't have any in the first place.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

That's not a good deal, because you're taking advantage of me.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, pretty funny that we do that to ourselves. It's so crazy to me. The psychology of humans. I want it to be fair. Yeah, tony Robbins makes people feel the pain of staying the same so deeply that buying his program feels like the only way out. So an example of this could be a candle business masterclass. Instead of learn how to start a candle business on Etsy, you want to say every day you delay, someone else takes the spot you could have owned in the candle industry While you second guess their launching, selling and winning. The question isn't if you should start, it's how much longer you'll wait while others succeed. This works because it activates urgency by making them feel the pain of not acting.

Speaker 1:

So good.

Speaker 2:

Step four is to offer an easy escape from their loop. Tony Robbins uses certainty to combat buyer hesitation. He eliminates risk by making the decision feel easy and inevitable. So there's three ways to do this. One is a guarantee If this doesn't change your execution habits, in 30 days get 100% of your money back. Two bonuses that remove resistance so you can have templates, scripts or shortcuts so that they don't feel overwhelmed Nobody likes to feel overwhelmed. One would be a fast action reward, so maybe you get VIP access, extra coaching calls or price incentives for taking action right now. So for a sorting candle like we have instead of this candle changes color and smells amazing. We could try. Your magical moment is waiting. Choose your color or let the candle decide for you. If this doesn't bring back a wave of childhood joy, we'll refund you, no questions asked.

Speaker 1:

So good.

Speaker 2:

And that obviously removes the risk and friction making buying a no brainer. So good, and that obviously removes the risk and friction making buying a no-brainer. The last one is make your offer a point of no return moment. As humans, we crave a dramatic turning point in our story where we finally choose to change. Tony Robbins does this by saying there was a moment when I decided I would never be poor again. If you don't make this decision now, when will you? You can trigger this moment for your buyer by framing your offer as their make or break decision. So, for example, again with our Legion 897 offer statement, instead of join Legion 897 to level up your business and life, it could, could be. This is the moment you either break the cycle or stay in it for another year. Legion 897 is your escape route. If not now, when? And it works because it frames the purchase as a life-changing decision.

Speaker 1:

So good.

Speaker 2:

So kind of to recap one identify the buyer's complex. Two sell the identity shift. Three highlight the cost of inaction. 4. Offer an easy escape. 5. Make it a point of no return moment.

Speaker 1:

Lots to go through, but so good.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, anything you want to add there.

Speaker 1:

No, I think all of it's really good. You know, like I said, the, the number one thing in in anybody is their psyche, right, and it's tapping into their psyche. And that's why, like Scientology, like different things like that, they're not focused on anything but the psyche and what the psyche is really created for. Why does a movie run by the hero's journey? Cause it taps into the psyche.

Speaker 1:

So what we have to do as marketers is understand the psyche and our own psyche to be able to articulate and help people through different processes, because if the wiser you get on the psyche, the wiser you become as a human being. But the number one psyche you've got to get control of and understand is yours and understand that these things are working on your psyche at the exact same time and I know, as you've listened to this, you're going to be able to sit back to yourself and go whoa, whoa, just the change. And we say just in the words. But yeah, they are words, but the way that they're articulated ends up not as just words, but playing on the psyche.

Speaker 2:

Yes, it's very powerful, and I'm glad you mentioned the hero's journey, because stories are the absolute quickest way to break into a person's psyche. It's not just about persuasion it's the story.

Speaker 1:

I think another way to do that is that I have found the quickest way is is to give yourself a different name, because it I don't know why, but it's like that's why a lot of times, if you want to look in history, that people had pen pals but didn't use the real name. There was a lot of people, if you look through history, that did a lot of amazing things by not being quote unquote them, but were them, and so you know, and it's easier sometimes when we're in a different name to allow ourselves to step into that new magnetic self and bring this to fruition.

Speaker 2:

To step out of the complexes. Correct You're saying is all of a sudden, they don't belong to you anymore.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. So if you think about this, like, how many multi-personality people? What do they do? You know what I'm saying and that's the psyche.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

The psyche allows that to happen for them, and then how they bridge that gap is generally they have a different name, different persona to them, and that's how the psyche does that. So it's just a. It's a hack is is take yourself, maybe put yourself, give yourself a new name as you do something and write your copy, do something else and to see what it does for you.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I love that, love it. You're so smart.

Speaker 1:

Thank you, so are you.

Speaker 2:

All right Life updates. Well, we signed up for a pickleball tournament last weekend.

Speaker 1:

We did.

Speaker 2:

The tournament was above my bracket but so you know we knew we'd have a bit of a disadvantage going in, but we decided that since we play full out that we needed to be an example of that and to go, especially because it does challenge my comfort zone.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it has you level up right. And there's something about even in our psyches. When we level up, it's like fear, anxieties, all these things, but you've got to step into the arena and just take action.

Speaker 2:

Playful out Yep, and I'm grateful that you wanted to do that with me. Like you just said, if you never compete against people at a higher level, you're not going to get to a higher level.

Speaker 1:

So good, much as we don't want to do it sometimes, so true.

Speaker 2:

Right and level so good much as we don't want to do it sometimes true right and then you also signed up for the tournament with matt fru. I did friend from boise, crazy enough he was coming to pocatello already, which is just an hour from us wanted to play a little pickleball and you're like, hey, there's a tournament going on, matt let's do it he said let's go. You guys took away the gold we did, we won it.

Speaker 1:

It was so fun to watch you, guys, you guys absolutely did an amazing job and couldn't be prouder well, it was a lot of fun and we did play full out and we had a lot of fun doing it.

Speaker 2:

Yep yep, um, we're going all in on writing a couple of books yep one other thing before you go, there is.

Speaker 1:

We also sold one of our horses to a young cowboy that is um, had a horse die on him, and so he needed a bulldog and horse and was looking for one that he could afford. He raised the money for to do that, and so we helped him out with one of our horses my horse. Yep, that's right.

Speaker 2:

But I was not writing him like like I should, and I'm very excited for him because this horse loves to run. He is a runner and every time you team rope you know you got to throw the loop and then stop the horse and turn him and with bulldogging he just gets to run as fast as his little heart desires from one end of the arena to the other.

Speaker 1:

Full full run yeah, it's gonna be good I'm really excited for him me too and that's what we do with our accountability calls is set up to help young rodeo cowboys and cow girls to fulfill their dreams, like I wanted to at that point in time. So I'm glad we're able to help in our mission.

Speaker 2:

Me too. Okay, you want to talk about our new book?

Speaker 1:

So, yeah, so long journey on this is. One of the things that Sunny and I have spent years working through is intimacy and how to make intimacy fun, exciting and different in all aspects, even with a very strong religious background and do's don'ts, all that kind of stuff. So it's been quite a journey for us, and so several years ago, we started talking about how can we talk about this without feeling like it's overwhelming and too personal, and we've come to an age, to where I think we're at a point where we don't mind it being so personal.

Speaker 2:

The older you get, the more bold you are right. Yeah, I think we're at a point where we don't mind it being so personal. The older you get, the more bold you are right.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I think so, so it's like we're ready to bring this to the world and show what we've used and how we've used it to absolutely take our 30 years and make them a lot of fun exploring, having fun, all that kind of stuff through intimacy. And so we were talking the other day about our title and different things, and I know that some of you are not going to like this word. That's okay, so plug your ears, but it's the way to grab people's attention and have them pick it up. And you know, hook story, offer, all the things. So we bought the URL fuck your way to millionscom and it's through orgasmic energy.

Speaker 1:

And so we're writing that book and we're about three weeks out of having that finished out to market. And then we will have some couples programs to not only help you understand this on a deeper level, but also how we architect our date nights, how do we communicate every day to build sexual energy, how do we? So on and so forth. So we're really excited to bring this to the world. I know it's a big shift for us and probably some of you in listening to us, but when you understand the masculine, feminine energies and all these different things, it's a big part of our human and being a human, and it's something that we don't like to always talk about. People avoid it. All this kind of stuff, we get that, we understand that, we respect that, but for us, where we're at in our lives is we want our kids, we want humans to enjoy this power, this energy, and allow it to bring them closer together.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and really from even a business standpoint. If you're feeling critical of that or whatever, just pick up, Think and Grow Rich people. There's a whole chapter on using sexual energy to reach your goals and all the things you want.

Speaker 1:

Can you imagine clear back then how he understood this at the level he?

Speaker 2:

did yeah.

Speaker 1:

And that you know he just articulated it so well and what he may have got is feedback from that.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that would be interesting to know It'd be interesting to know.

Speaker 1:

And yet here the whole thing has grown and it's one of the, if it's not one of the number one books in the world.

Speaker 2:

Well, and it's funny too, though, that nobody talks about that chapter, right, yeah, and it's funny too, though, that nobody talks about that chapter. Right, yeah, they talk about everything else, yeah.

Speaker 1:

Everything else but that chapter, and it's the one thing in there that is. Anyway, I won't get into it, but that's true.

Speaker 2:

It is true. Okay, that's a wrap for today.

Speaker 1:

So thank you guys for listening. Once again, we appreciate all of you as listeners. We appreciate you spreading the word on this to others and having them listen where our numbers are growing, and it's because of you, and we couldn't be more grateful for that. So if there's a subject you'd like us to talk about or something you want us to go more into, I know one of the subjects is how did we live our traditional religion, and that's one that we will be discussing and helping you guys understand, because it is a big transition when you decide to change all of your belief structure around something.

Speaker 2:

And honestly, I think at one point or another in any person's life, they're going to find themselves in a situation where the frameworks they've lived their whole life in no longer serve them, and so it's an important conversation.

Speaker 1:

It is, so we'll be diving into that. So thank you for listening once again and thank you for spreading the word. We appreciate that. If you know of a podcaster or of an email list that this could go out on, please let them know. If it'll serve their community, that would be awesome. So this segment brought to you by I Do Epic.

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